Ego Sickness

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Narcissus, by Caravaggio
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Narcissus, by Caravaggio

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We’re hand in hand in Aftermath
the age of what will be
Horizon smoke is rising
from the wreckage that is We

And in the smoke what shapes will form?
What phantoms will we make?
For we are made of form and formula
but also dross mistake

-from Hand in Hand in Aftermath


Professor Cramulus:


You know how a virus works? It goes into a cell and changes the code so that the cell only produces more virii. In a way the virus steals the cell's identity, making it a part of a viral system.

If you ask me, the worst phase of being sick is when you've been sick for so long you forget what it's like to be well. In a way, you've lost a bit of yourself and become the virus.

People catch and spread memes like viruses. They're contageous, self-replicating little buggers. Like any virus, their goal is to spread themselves, to become a large, healthy, self-sustaining colony. We have to be careful how we handle memes because at a certain point its difficult to tell the difference between when we're using the memes and when the memes are using us.

This is not to say that memes are harmful diseases. But some of them can be if you get infected, infested, obsessed and invested.

One of the most pervasive and prevalent memes in this modern world is the meme called I Am. We live in an overpopulated era, floating in a sea of interchangable people. In this ocean our biggest life perserver is a sense of individuality - the notion that each and every one of us is unique, distinct. One wants to say "I am not the crowd. I am not the group. I am not just another cog in the machine."


We jump through personal hoops to distinguish ourselves from the others. We customize our identities so as to retain a sense of self, a buoy bobbing in the tide of the collective.

But this ego meme can become a disease. In moderation, it helps us understand ourselves. In excess, we define ourselves. In time, these definitions become rigid, inflexible.

Consider, for example, the "C student". In his attempt to understand himself, he internalizes "I am a C student." Armed with that identity he has no drive to do better. He accepts "who he is". Or consider the average voter. He identifies with a political party and probably agrees with them about many things. The party tells him which sides of any given issues to support - no need to think for oneself there!


It can be a sickness.


The Machine, of course, is programmed to capitalize on this sickness. There are a variety of memes available to customize your identity. What color iPod do you want? Which TV shows are YOUR TV shows? What brand of cologne smells like YOU?


I am not suggesting that people abandon their sense of self. But I do think that people get addicted to self-definition and it leads to inflexibility.


Quote from: Journey to Ixtlan, Carlos Castenada
(Don Juan speaking to Castaneda) "Your father knows everything about you", he said.
"So he has you all figured out. He knows who you are and what you do, and there is
no power on earth   that can make him change his mind about you".

Don Juan said that everybody that knew me had an idea about me, and that I kept
feeding the idea with everything I did. "Don't you see ?", he asked dramatically.
"You must renew your personal history by telling your parents, your relatives,
and your friends everything you do. On the other hand, if you have no personal
history, no explanations are needed; nobody is angry or disillusioned with your
acts. And above all no one pins you down with their thoughts.".

(...) "But that's absurd", I protested. "Why shouldn't people know me ? What's
wrong with that ?"; "What's wrong is that once they know you, you are an affair
taken for granted and from that moment on you won't be able to break the tie of
their thoughts. I personally like the ultimate freedom of being unknown. No one
knows me with steadfast certainty, the way people know you, for instance".
"But that would be lying". "I'm not concerned with lies or truths", he said
severely. "Lies are lies only if you have personal history".
Quote from: Don Juan, speaking to Castaneda
"You see", he went on, "we only have two alternatives; we either take everything
for sure and real, or we don't. If we follow the first, we end up bored to death
with ourselves and with the world. If we follow the second and erase personal
history, we create a fog around us, a very exciting and mysterious state in
which nobody knows where the rabbit will pop out, not even ourselves."



Payne:


Does the "I am not" meme have to be inextricably linked to the "I am" though? And where do you think conflicting identities come into it? For example, "I am an enviromentaly concious person, but I am not willing to get taxed to fuck for it, so I'll vote Republican" (a common train of thought, I understand).

If the conflict between these identities is not resolved so that they can both be true, at least for that individual, where does this leave us?

Personally, I think that the more unresolved conflicting identities a person has, the more likely they are to question things, if only because they won't have answers handed to them. The fewer the conflicts, the more likely the individual is to duck his/her head and conform to a "social norm".



SillyCybin:


Destroy ego!

Very important.

After destruction ego is rebuilt as a vehicle.

Before destruction you are a passenger.



Darth Cupcake:


For the "I am" meme, people do lock themselves into these preconceived notions, just as they lock other people into them. Like in those quotes. I'm currently standing by while the relationship of two of my good friends falls apart. Part of the reason it's going all to hell is because of what one of the people identifies as their "I AM" and "NOW I am" versus how they see the other person as "they are." (Did that make sense? I think it did.) Even between two people who have been very close for a very long time, we still run into the trappings of people being stuck in this preconceived "i am/he is/she is" sort of situation without considering the possibility of flux. In my mind, that is the worst part of the "I am" meme: it tends to become incredibly concrete and modifying it can become an impossibly daunting task.

As for group identity vs. individuality--we want to be unique, but we also want to have a place to fit in. Humans are social, herd animals, as it were. So they all collect into their groups and set rules about how to have acceptance/belonging. So people want to make sure that they ascribe to those rules and that "I am [insert group trend here.]"

The "I am NOT" seems to come in more when peope want to differentiate themselves from something negative. Such as "I am NOT a racist/scientologist/pedo/etc!" It's once again group identity, but this time in the negative. You want to make sure no one mistakes you for ONE OF THEM.

The problem with "I am" is that it is so binary and so concrete, as already discussed. Try telling someone "I'm sort of ____" and you'll find that the "sort of" or "sometimes" or what-have-you tends to disappear and you become concretely _____. I do not consider myself aligned with any political party, yet it's impossible to try to have a discussion about politics with anyone without this coming up and the other person insisting on subscribing me to a party. We resort to "am/am not" because it makes things easier to organize and think about. Thus, it must be a simple yes/no binary, and it must be incredibly concrete. By making it constant, it becomes easier to work with.

People should not be constant. Not that constant, not that binary.



Faust:
Please stop trying to prove how interesting you are.

the pride of the "I am's" is the thing I find hardest when conversing with people. All people have it to an extent, but its intolerable in some. Its what has ruined gamers.

As to identifying yourself through different aspects both physically (car, etc.) and intellectual masturbation (I am, I am, I AM), it is necessary to a degree I think, *I am* incapable of rationalizing anything any more so I primarily go off instinct, for those who would make the rules of civilization, very clear but flexible "I am's" and "we are" is needed, but that might be wrong, it might cut through some moral ambiguity that comes of where the line is drawn in the sand.



Jenne:


When I first read the original post, I had a hard time coming to terms with what the problem was with the inflexibility of the notion of self. I think it actually, in essence, goes beyond the notion of self and is instead the inflexibility that is the problem. Lack of pragmatism, lack of ability to see beyond what you've predefined or what has already been defined for you is the real bear-trap, I believe.

Sense of self is inborn and then reworked within the system you live with as a child, then as an adult. Not many people know they have a choice to change this when they are old enough to do so. And some have it changed without knowing what really happened--they instead see the bottom falling out of their known-universe and cavil.

Humans, I've come to believe, are truly flexible by nature. But we still cling to what's familiar in order to preserve that flexibility. Constant motion and change are only endurable as long as you can accept the constancy of the motion, if that makes any sense. It's why we label things, find systematic and programmatic answers for what confuses us, and why answers are always sought, no matter how unimportant the question.

When the self is at question, there are so many parts to the self, I think sometimes we forsake one part or many parts in order to preserve the part that seems to bring the most benefit. I know I divide parts of me for different people, and it's rare I'm the whole for any one person. For that reason alone I know I am fairly flexible in the main, and why I can get a lot done or many different things done with smaller effort.

Maybe flexibility is something that is better suited to certain personalities/types of people than others. In fact, I'd posit there are whole societies that solidify their "collective" by devaluing the sense of flexibility in ego/sense of self. Be the same, and see yourself as the same. I don't think my own subculture does this, even though they do impress upon you to take up whatever is the flavor of the day in pop-psych and endgoals, elsewise you are a "loser"...



SillyCybin:
"Every statement contains falsehood" - Crowley

If there was some way to illustrate this 'fact' then reality would fall to pieces for a lot of people.



Darth Cupcake:

Reverse that. Reality falling to pieces for people tends to illustrate that fact. Sometimes, at least. Not always.

At the risk of sounding like an emo kid, in the past three months, huge quantities of my reality have fallen apart. I think that's what made me so particularly receptive to the PD and BIP when Cram first linked them to me. (On the other hand, it's also given me a lot of rage and a tendency to be more of an emo kid than I'd like to be. oops ) So long as something is outside of someone's worldview (mine had been, I will admit, horrifically narrow, and probably still is), they can't accept it until their worldview changes. So reality needs to start fraying slightly first.

Actually, nix that, it could definitely easily go both ways. But my point still stands, I think.

That's sort of how I see the one-sentence meme-bombs and the idea of leaving stickers, pamphlets, etc around in public places for people to see: poking little needle holes into others' realities. Poke enough holes, or poke at a point of structural weakness, and the thing will start to fall apart. And then... voila. Beautiful.



Cain:


Happens to a lot of people. I actually liked the feeling, though. Trick is keeping the momentum going.

Its also a lot easier to do it to someone up close and whose own methods of thinking you already know, in comparison to relative strangers. Which is, to a degree, why I keep trying to tweak O:MF as a concept and bring in other useful theories to help close that gap. Its nowhere near complete, yet.


Professor Cramulus:


agreed

and I think the trick there is to convince yourself your a neophile and not a neophobe.

A real-life example-- I just moved to Yonkers. My current living situation is significantly more annoying and expensive than my previous one. I've been stressing out about this for a while now. The most relieving thing I've heard was advice from my mom - "why are you so anxious about all this? Moving is exciting! Fresh start! New place! It's gonna be fun!"


She's totally right, too.



Cain:


For me, its travel that keeps me on my feet. I always learn the language of the country I visit, without fail. And language of course, not only frames our thoughts, but actually in some ways dictates them. Then, if you are learning the language, you invariably pick up the cultural baggage that goes along with it. Along with the general fun of living from day to day, never quite sure where your next meal or where you will sleep next.

Of course, the meme needs work, to a degree. There are already a lot of ideas that may innoculate against this meme. But its a start.



"I can't explain myself, I'm afraid, sir," said Alice, "Because I'm not myself you see."
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"I can't explain myself, I'm afraid, sir," said Alice, "Because I'm not myself you see."
Ratatosk: A game, perhaps? An internet meme (like those lame 20 question things)?

Something Along the lines of:

WHOOOO are YOOOOU?

Children often ask the annoying question "Why?"
and for every answer you give,  they ask again
"Why?"... Yet, perhaps asking why isn't a bad
thing. As adults, maybe we don't consider why
we do the things we do, or why we are where we are.
So as a challenge, as a moment of childhood
clarity, you have been challenged to answer
the question "Why?" 

To begin, write an "I am" statement which you
feel describes a key part of who you are.
Maybe "I am an artist", "I am a hacker",
"I am a Christian", "I am an atheist", then
you must ask yourself "Why?" and provide an
answer, follow the answer with another "Why?"
and the why, with another answer. Do this so
that you have a total of twenty-three answers
and then post it in your blog/journal.


The Internet meme is a pathetic, yet popular filler for blogs, but if we can use such a transport for a more insidious meme, then perhaps there is some value. The above is just a concept, but hopefully you get the idea.... getting people to question their self-identification seems to have some potential. Maybe we could release a series of these, where we are more specific about the first question...

An 'I Am' statement that describes your physical being.
An 'I Am' statement that describes your social life.
An 'I Am' statement that describes your philosophical beliefs
An 'I Am; statement that describes your ...

Also, perhaps we could create one called "Right Where You Are Now", and ask the question "Why are you where you are now, this minute?" (I remember this as similar to a meditation trick RAW talked about.)


Prater Festwo:

so, i like the term Ego Sickness.

I assume you're using the classical term EGO and not the colloquial "egotistical" variety.

my beef: the vantage point is still an Us Them dichotomy.

maybe Ego, in and of itself (the asat, the capitol I, the self), is not bad. you kind of addressed that, and I think were perhaps trying to imply that. but perhaps it's more of a sickness of the ego, versus sickness from the ego. dig?

a lad that says "i am a student" isn't really that bad.

but then the teacher gives him a grade of "C", and he's off to the market. now he's infected with the notion that he is a "C" instead of a "Medium Grade Work In Progress," which we all know to be the implication of that grade. (or a flat out lack of effort, or some such)..

but what i'm saying is the student doesn't impose the "C" mentality on himself, nor does his Ego do it. the grade is assigned by the teacher. the grading system is mprescribed by standardization, tradition, the LAW, etc. which were all imposed by some collective, or another. (read= the exact opposite of an 'I')




SillyCybin:


Only in chaos is there order

Only in order is there chaos

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